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Poster: jerlouvis Date: May 3, 2013 1:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Dave's Picks 6

The sound quality of the tapes are fantastic,crisp with excellent instrument separation.I listened to the 12/20 Dark Star twice and sorry to say it is unexceptional.At no point does it rise up and grab your attention.There is a somewhat interesting passage between the 8:00 and 11:00 minute mark where they do a relaxed sort of tiger jam/throb and Jerry plays a run of jazzy clusters in a nice,sharp tone.They also throw in a Feelin' Groovy jam that melds back into the theme into the last verse.The St. Stephen and The 11 sound uninspired,off and go absolutely nowhere.The rest of the show we haven't heard Me and My Uncle,H2H and Cumberland were all average versions.I didn't listen to the last 15 of Lovelight which completes what we had.

The 12/21 Smokestack has some real trippy slide and cool tandem guitar playing. The segue into New Speedway is killer which is in it's developmental stage.The China/Rider,Direwolf and Mason's are all average.We've heard the rest.

2/2/70 opens with a still new but good Casey Jones.Jerry is all over the Mama Tried and they hack up the H2H usual,but Jerry,Bob and Phil get going some on the jam part.The Black Peter is real good and Jerry plays some good guitar on UJB.The Mason's is good,Cold Rain is off and the Good Lovin' is average.We've heard the rest.

Sorry to jump your thread SDH,I forgot when you modify a post it moves your thread up.I went in to change"the sound quality of the tapes is fantastic" to are fantastic.I should have paid more attention in English class 40 years ago,funny thing is they both sound wrong.

This post was modified by jerlouvis on 2013-05-03 20:51:31

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: May 3, 2013 1:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave's Picks 6

Thats disappointing to hear. Have you listened to the other one on the bonus disc? I'm afraid mine has not arrived yet. I'd hate for this release to be a bust.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: May 3, 2013 1:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave's Picks 6

The Other One from 2/2 is dull and doesn't have much going on.There is a good jam at the 10 minute mark where Jerry plays some repeater phrases and Phil locks in with him for a cool two minute jam before the second verse.

The important part of this release was naturally the Dark Star->Stephen->11 from the 12/20 and that is definitely lacking.So I would consider it a bust.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: May 4, 2013 2:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave's Picks 6

I was referring to the 12/21/69 other one which is on the bonus disc. I listened to the bonus disc and disc one all the way through last night and certainly wasnt blown away. Of course I was socializing and drinking during all of this so my attention wasnt fully there, however I thought the dark star from 12/20 and the other one from 12/21 were worth another listen at least. All in all not the greatest release, I think DP 5 blows this one out of the water but what can ya do. Honestly they should be trying to release a 68 show IMO

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: May 4, 2013 3:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave's Picks 6

The 3 dates with the bonus disc is confusing me for some reason.I must be getting old.There isn't much to get excited about on this release.On to the next one.

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Poster: scotch_glass Date: May 4, 2013 4:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave's Picks 6

Is everyone listening to the same music I am? I haven't even listened to the Bonus Disc yet and I am more than impressed with this release. The sensational Black Peter from St. Louis and one of my personal favorite Dark Stars from the same show in amazing sound quality. The Fillmore Dark Star may not be mind blowing as a whole, but the final 3 or 4 minutes are very compelling as well as the China>Rider. The backstory of the tapes adds to the mystique of this music, but I do feel this is a good representation of some of the Dead's better playing from this era.

As DL said in his chat about this release, they are playing very loud at this point in their career and that's exactly how this music should be listened to. I'm happy with this release and am enjoying it.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: May 4, 2013 6:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave's Picks 6

We seem to agree on most points you mention.I said the sound quality is fantastic,the Black Peter is really good and I didn't mention the 12/20 China/Rider which is good because I only talked about the music which was new to us on this release.As for the Dark Star I found a few snippets interesting.Jerry plays an intriguing run from about 10:45 to 12:00 with an odd tone and a crisp jazzy feel.The 12/20 and 2/2 Dark Star's share a similar feel so I could see where if you liked one you would like both.I also agree that this release is a good representation of the era.Late 69' until Keith joined the band I find lacking.The backstory of the tapes make absolutely no difference to me.

In this old thread about late 69' under 12/20 I mention the China Cat is good,so you don't think I'm just being agreeable.

http://archive.org/post/404510/oct-dec-69

Here is another old thread where I discuss not liking Dark Star's from 1970 all that much,so you don't think I was just being contentious.I am not suggesting you bother with either thread.Just reinforcing my sentiments on this era prior to this release.

http://archive.org/post/383745/tdih-1970

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Poster: scotch_glass Date: May 5, 2013 5:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave's Picks 6

Nice. I never thought you were being contentious, your opinion is your opinion and I am always interested in hearing different viewpoints. For me, 1970 is probably my favorite year in general and for Dark Stars. I do thank you for the links to those threads, they are pretty informative and I don't think I've read them before. So thanks!

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: May 5, 2013 9:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave's Picks 6

The forumites contributed very nicely to those threads with information rich posts.I also enjoy hearing what people think about things here on the forum.I'm going to take some time and go through the 70' Dark Star's again and see what I hear this time.

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Poster: UnbrokenChain Date: May 5, 2013 12:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave's Picks 6

I've heard people talking about the Bonus Disk - is it shipped separately (if so..what??)? Because I preordered DaP 6 and got three disks, none of which is called a bonus disk.

LOVE the Dark Star.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: May 6, 2013 11:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave's Picks 6

The bonus disc was shipped with DaP 6 for those people who ordered the DaP subscription for the year. So if you pre-ordered this individually than no soup for you. However if you ordered the subscription back in December than you should have received the bonus disc.

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Poster: UnbrokenChain Date: May 6, 2013 11:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave's Picks 6

Well, I preordered, yes. Didn't get the subscription, because I think it's a financially bad plan.

What's on the bonus disk?

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: May 6, 2013 12:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave's Picks 6

most of the show from 12-21-69

Smokestack Lightning>
New Speedway Boogie
Dire Wolf
Mason's Children
China>Rider>
Black Peter
Good Lovin'>
Drums>
TOO>
Cumberland Blues

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Poster: scotch_glass Date: May 6, 2013 3:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave's Picks 6

LOVE the Smokestack> New Speedway Boogie!!

Smokestack is an outstanding version and NSB spawns itself out of bluesy rhythmic jam. I've never heard it until today and it blew me away.

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Poster: UnbrokenChain Date: May 7, 2013 1:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave's Picks 6

It's such a crapshoot. I could get a subscription and then wind up with shows I already own high-quality versions of. Or I could get some real gems, including those bonus disks.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: May 7, 2013 1:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave's Picks 6

I agree, i am not a fan of the subscription. I skipped the first two times they offered it but got it this year. Mostly because i knew i would purchase the first release and was betting the second and bonus would be from the newly returned 69/70 stash. I figure for the bonus disc and the free shipping, i just need to hit on 3/4 releases to make it worth it. Of course i probably just jinxed myself and we'll get two duds to finish out the year.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: May 7, 2013 3:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave's Picks 6

I'm really glad I didn't go the subscription route. Everything I'm hearing about this latest release has me thinking it may have been just as well that the tapes remained missing.

Much as I respect dave, I don't always agree with his picks and I'd rather be in control of what I deem to be worthy of purchase than him or Rhino.

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Poster: UnbrokenChain Date: May 7, 2013 3:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave's Picks 6

Well, to be fair, I love what I've heard from 6. No complaints here. It's just that when you get the sub, you don't know what they have planned. It could be crap, it could be a show you already have an SBD for, and so on.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: May 7, 2013 3:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave's Picks 6

That's good to hear re: 6...I had heard the missing Dark Star was nothing special and versions of some other tunes were sloppy b/c they were new to the rotation...

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: May 3, 2013 2:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dave's Picks 6

Wow--I totally disagree with you about 12-20-69. It's the most rhythmically complex show I remember having heard from that period. Phil's in some sort of mood and keeps adding complexities to his rhythms that I think throw Jerry a bit, which may be why you don't find any of his solos really inspired, but I think the way Jerry does respond leads to some very interesting rhythmic interplay. I have to listen to it again, but it seemed to me that at one point in the proto-UJB jam in Dark Star, Jerry, Phil, and someone else (TC?) were playing three different interlocking rhythmic lines that fused into something remarkable. The rhythmic complexity continues into what was for me a very stimulating The Eleven, featuring from the beginning the sort of Jerry/Phil rhythmic-interplay duet that typically only shows up after the lyrics. I've certainly heard cleaner versions overall, but I was having a blast listening to it. Exhilarating is how I'd describe the rhythmic complexity of Dark Star > St Stephen > The Eleven.

This is the first time I've heard a 1969 New Speedway Boogie, and it was a hoot. Like 12-30-69, it starts with the chorus, and features the goofy falsetto backing vocals that are on the alternative studio take on the Workingman's Dead re-release CD. No question that the 12-30-69 version is more solid; in fact, it sounded like they were almost making it up as they went along on 12-20, but still I was grinning from ear to ear listening to it.

Lovelight relaxed the rhythmic complexity somewhat. Some parts of Pig's rapping were pretty been-there-done-that, while he also introduced some nice twists, and there was some neatly responsive ensemble work behind his vocals.

The first set is a bit loose-jointed, but tight enough to keep me interested. Mason's Children and Cumberland Blues feature somewhat different rhythmic motifs than became typical for those songs, and Cumberland Blues is at a somewhat slower pace that was interesting to listen to. Hard to Handle was pretty hard-core.

The vocals are well-delineated and forward in the mix, but the rest of it sounds almost like an exceptionally good AUD. Drums are crisp but with plenty of the sound of the hall, and guitars and bass sound like they entered the mix through mics positioned not too very close to their amps. Jerry is just slightly lower in the mix than I would have liked, Phil is fine, TC is a bit lower than I would have liked but typical for 1969, and Bob is almost inaudible most of the time. In spite of that, the sound is less blurred than most early-1969 2-track SBDs, just reverb-y.

I've listened to the first few tracks of 12-21-69 but nothing of 2-2-70 yet.

Since this is out of print, my advice if you didn't get one is to copy it from a friend (or from a swarm of a couple dozen of your closest friends scattered all over the world).


This post was modified by Lou Davenport on 2013-05-03 21:40:15

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